FM10 coach calculator

[BonzoLLM]

*Coach rating calculator for Football Manager 2010*

(compatible with Patch 10.3 and all Football Manager 2010 versions)

- Features:

• Find out the exact number of stars a coach has in any given training category.
  
  
• Percentages and total values also visible to dwelve beyond the star rating.
  
  
• The calculator compares the ability of the coach in all the different training categories on the fly and tells you what he's best at.

Screenshot:


Download FM10 coach calculator | Mirror

Operating system: Windows 95/98/ME/2000/XP/Vista/7
File size: 532 KB
Files: FM10 coach calculator.exe, readme.nfo, readme.txt

- Instructions: Just unzip 'FM10 coach calculator.exe' and run it. No installation needed.

- Technical: If you have any problems with the program:

• Update your Adobe Flash Player
• Vista/Windows 7 users: 'Run as administrator'
• If it still won't work, try the PDF version and the online version.

PDF version | Mirror

System Requirements: Adobe Reader 8.0 or higher (Macintosh); 8.0 or higher (Linux); 6.0 or higher (Windows).
Operating system: ALL
File size: 329 KB
Files: FM10 coach calculator.pdf, readme.nfo, readme.txt


Online version | Back-up host


N.B.: The greyed-out fields are just there to match the format of the game screen exactly but they're not used at all in the calculations, so they can be left blank or be filled with any number you like. I'm hoping to minimise the time spent switching between screens back and forth by doing that. Any feedback is welcome.

Background: *Warning - Long spoiler!*

Spoiler:

November 4, 2009. It's now just over a week since I received my copy of Football Manager 2010, rushed to the computer to install FM (as you do ) and started a new game. Being the hardcore lower league manager I am (the kind who likes leaving no stone unturned when it comes to finding every possible player and coach that may be hiding out there), I was immediately taken aback by this new 5-star with half stars increments coach rating system in FM10... (Oh noes! I badly need some decent coaches but how do I know who out of the 250 coaches on this list is any good now SI has changed the star rating system again?)

The nice spreadsheet I had (made by mmfaria) for working out coach star ratings had been rendered useless... I searched till my face was blue but couldn't find a calculator or the new coach formulas for FM10 anywhere... so I decided to do some research of my own.

I took the original FM09 9.3.0 coach formulas by AJetsOF (thanks pal) and studied them. Underneath the overly complex and seemingly random use of the attributes in the formulas, there was common pattern:

The difference between the cut-off values for 7, 6 and 5 stars was always the same.
Strength: 270 = 7 stars; 240 = 6 stars; 210 = 5 stars (increments of 30)
Goalkeeping: 90 = 7 stars; 80 = 6 stars; 70 = 5 stars (increments of 10)
Defending: 360 = 7 stars; 320 = 6 stars; 280 = 5 stars (increments of 40)

Unfortunately, AJetsOf superb little tables stopped at 5 stars, so I'd have to rely entirely on hypothesis to find out if:
a) There was any relationship between new coach formulas the game uses in FM10 and those it used in FM09 9.3.0 and
b) If so, what that relationship was.

• First, I hypothesised:
  
  The difference between the cut-off values in the 9.3.0 formulas was the same FOR ALL STARS.
  
  Coming up with the full tables for 9.3.0 derived from AJetsOf's 7-5 stars tables was somewhat tricky but this is what I eventually settled for (after some number crunching and the aid of an old FM09 save):
  
  (FM09 9.3.0 - Strength table)
  >= 270 = 7 stars
  >= 240 = 6 stars
  >= 210 = 5 stars
  >= 180 = 4 stars
  >= 150 = (not used)
  >= 120 = 3 stars
  >= 90 = (not used)
  >= 60 = 2 stars
  >= 30 = (not used)
  >= 0 = 1 star
  
  So my hypothesis was wrong! It's all very proportional from 7 to 4 stars but below 4 stars it all goes Pete Tong!
  
  
• As my luck would have it though, that puzzling odd looking table was the clue to unlocking the new coach formulas used by the game in FM10...
  
  When I tried entering all the star numbers from this new 5-stars with half star increments system in the above table, one combination quickly stood out:
  
  >= 270 = 5 stars
  >= 240 = 4.5 stars
  >= 210 = 4 stars
  >= 180 = 3.5 stars
  >= 150 = 3 stars
  >= 120 = 2.5 stars
  >= 90 = 2 stars
  >= 60 = 1.5 stars
  >= 30 = 1 star
  >= 0 = 0.5 stars
  
  Hey!... the difference between the cut-off values is the same FOR ALL STARS!
  (Maybe that old hypothesis I discarded like a player who's had a stinker in the previous match could come off the bench and be the team's hero after all!)

So, just like a lower league manager who has blind faith in his players even though you're playing a team 3 divisions above you and you're 2-0 down at half-time , using that table I came up with as a reference, I made tables for all the other training categories applying the same made-up rule above.

Then I took my made-up tables and added the same attribute-based first part of the formula from AJetsOf's formulas for FM09 9.3.0 (e.g. Fitness * 9 + ddm * 2) to them (for no particular reason - just one of those 'what if' things that pop into your head), resulting in a bunch of made-up formulas to work out the star rating for coaches.
(formulas which you can see in the spoiler at the bottom of this post)

I used these made-up formulas on the 2 coaches I had in my team and the number of stars I got from the formulas matched those in the game exactly!

Still shocked that I may had stumbled upon the new coach formulas FM10 uses, I made a spreadsheet with my formulas and posted it here for The Dugout community to put the formulas to the test ().

The beta-testers who reported back with their results all had accurate star rating predictions from the calculator!

The 100-odd people who also downloaded the calculator then, never sent me any angry message complaining about the calculator being wrong and how they were tricked into signing a 4.5-star coach by the calculator. ()

From then onwards, it's all been about optimising the format of the formulas in the spreadsheet (Spreadsheet software really doesn't like long nested formulas) and turning a cumbersome spreadsheet into something more user-friendly and less time-consuming (whilst having fun seeing the downloads counters change like a fruit machine ).

So that's how the FM10 coach calculator was born... Hope you liked this little story.

Formulas:

Spoiler:

FM10 coach formulas

*** If you copy and paste these formulas on another forum/website, please acknowledge the source by providing a link to this thread. Thank you. ***

• Strength:
  Fitness * 9 + ddm * 2
  >= 270 = 5 stars
  >= 240 = 4.5 stars
  >= 210 = 4 stars
  >= 180 = 3.5 stars
  >= 150 = 3 stars
  >= 120 = 2.5 stars
  >= 90 = 2 stars
  >= 60 = 1.5 stars
  >= 30 = 1 star
  >= 0 = 0.5 stars
  
  
• Aerobic:
  Fitness * 9 + ddm * 2
  >= 270 = 5 stars
  >= 240 = 4.5 stars
  >= 210 = 4 stars
  >= 180 = 3.5 stars
  >= 150 = 3 stars
  >= 120 = 2.5 stars
  >= 90 = 2 stars
  >= 60 = 1.5 stars
  >= 30 = 1 star
  >= 0 = 0.5 stars
  
  
• Goalkeeping:
  Goalkeepers * 2 + ddm
  >=90 = 5 stars
  >=80 = 4.5 stars
  >=70 = 4 stars
  >=60 = 3.5 stars
  >=50 = 3 stars
  >=40 = 2.5 stars
  >=30 = 2 stars
  >=20 = 1.5 stars
  >=10 = 1 star
  >=0 = 0.5 stars
  
  
• Tactics:
  Tactical * 2 + ddm
  >=90 = 5 stars
  >=80 = 4.5 stars
  >=70 = 4 stars
  >=60 = 3.5 stars
  >=50 = 3 stars
  >=40 = 2.5 stars
  >=30 = 2 stars
  >=20 = 1.5 stars
  >=10 = 1 star
  >=0 = 0.5 stars
  
  
• Ball Control:
  Technical * 6 + Mental * 3 + ddm * 2
  >= 270 = 5 stars
  >= 240 = 4.5 stars
  >= 210 = 4 stars
  >= 180 = 3.5 stars
  >= 150 = 3 stars
  >= 120 = 2.5 stars
  >= 90 = 2 stars
  >= 60 = 1.5 stars
  >= 30 = 1 star
  >= 0 = 0.5 stars
  
  
• Defending:
  Defending * 8 + (Tactical + ddm) * 3
  >=360 = 5 stars
  >=320 = 4.5 stars
  >=280 = 4 stars
  >=240 = 3.5 stars
  >=200 = 3 stars
  >=160 = 2.5 stars
  >=120 = 2 stars
  >=80 = 1.5 stars
  >=40 = 1 star
  >=0 = 0.5 stars
  
  
• Attacking:
  Attacking * 6 + Tactical * 3 + ddm * 2
  >= 270 = 5 stars
  >= 240 = 4.5 stars
  >= 210 = 4 stars
  >= 180 = 3.5 stars
  >= 150 = 3 stars
  >= 120 = 2.5 stars
  >= 90 = 2 stars
  >= 60 = 1.5 stars
  >= 30 = 1 star
  >= 0 = 0.5 stars
  
  
• Shooting:
  Technical * 6 + Attacking * 3 + ddm * 2
  >= 270 = 5 stars
  >= 240 = 4.5 stars
  >= 210 = 4 stars
  >= 180 = 3.5 stars
  >= 150 = 3 stars
  >= 120 = 2.5 stars
  >= 90 = 2 stars
  >= 60 = 1.5 stars
  >= 30 = 1 star
  >= 0 = 0.5 stars
  
  
• Set Pieces:
  (Attacking + Mental + Technical) * 3 + ddm * 2
  >= 270 = 5 stars
  >= 240 = 4.5 stars
  >= 210 = 4 stars
  >= 180 = 3.5 stars
  >= 150 = 3 stars
  >= 120 = 2.5 stars
  >= 90 = 2 stars
  >= 60 = 1.5 stars
  >= 30 = 1 star
  >= 0 = 0.5 stars

Key:
ddm: Determination + Discipline + Motivating
>= : equal to or greater than


- Example: Valter Di Salvo (First Team Coach) - Free agent
Fitness 20
Determination 18
Discipline 10
Motivating 20

Strength formula: Fitness * 9 + ddm * 2 (same formula for Aerobic)
(20 * 9) + ((18+10+20) * 2) = 180 + 96 = 276

Strength table (same table for Aerobic):
>= 270 = 5 stars
>= 240 = 4.5 stars
>= 210 = 4 stars
>= 180 = 3.5 stars
>= 150 = 3 stars
>= 120 = 2.5 stars
>= 90 = 2 stars
>= 60 = 1.5 stars
>= 30 = 1 star
>= 0 = 0.5 stars

As 276 is greater than the minimum required for 5 stars (270), this coach has the maximum rating of 5 stars in both Strength and Aerobic. Top coach if you can get him!

[Del_Boy]

Hey mate,

Looks a pretty decent calculator and you can tell youve put a lot of effort into it.

Ive done some testing and its worked pretty well but maybe as a little guide, you could put (or me) liek what stats are used for what category?

ie, 15+ Attack, 15+ Tactical, etc = 5star Attacking

I know theyve tweaked with the coaches this year so more stats are relevant, but would be good to have a quick template there to check against.

[BonzoLLM]

Originally Posted by Del_Boy

Hey mate,

Looks a pretty decent calculator and you can tell youve put a lot of effort into it.

Ive done some testing and its worked pretty well but maybe as a little guide, you could put (or me) liek what stats are used for what category?

ie, 15+ Attack, 15+ Tactical, etc = 5star Attacking

I know theyve tweaked with the coaches this year so more stats are relevant, but would be good to have a quick template there to check against.

Good!

(Attacking 18 + Tactical 18 = 5 star Attacking) Oh, the good old times! That's all changed now... Up until FM09 9.3.0 you could look at a couple of stats and work out the number of stars someone would have in any given category fairly easily. Now Determination+Discipline+Motivating play a huge part, stats have been given different weightings and the formulas used to come up with the final star rating are so complex that you may as well buy a lottery ticket if you think you can predict the exact number of stars a coach will have in any of the 9 different training categories...

I'll add a spoiler with the crazy formulas. EDIT: (done!)

[ScholesCant Tackle]

This is seems accurate, Salute

[BonzoLLM]

Originally Posted by ScholesCant Tackle

This is seems accurate, Salute

Ta for your contribution.

[dd23]

Ive used it a little and it has been correct so far

[kurtkantoi]

Can someone upload to other server..i cant get divshare file even after register

[BonzoLLM]

Originally Posted by kurtkantoi

Can someone upload to other server..i cant get divshare file even after register

MediaFire links now up. See first post.

[kurtkantoi]

Originally Posted by BonzoLLM

MediaFire links now up. See first post.

thanks..really appreciate the effort

[the_foozball_manager]

Thanks. Hope this works. I want all my coaches to be 5*.

[BonzoLLM]

Originally Posted by the_foozball_manager

Thanks. Hope this works. I want all my coaches to be 5*.

No problem. I'm pretty much certain this calculator is 100% accurate. It's now been downloaded more than 500 times and I'm still to hear from anyone who's had the calculator throw an incorrect star rating at them.

Just try it on your coaches. The star ratings the calculator gives you for them should be identical to those in the game.

[the_foozball_manager]

Yeah. Will test later and post the results. I've spent a lot of time searching for the right coaches. This program is a blessing.

[dehory]

Since this is made in Flash, is it possible to turn it into a web-based Flash app? I know us non-PC users would appreciate it.

[BonzoLLM]

Originally Posted by dehory

Since this is made in Flash, is it possible to turn it into a web-based Flash app? I know us non-PC users would appreciate it.

Funny you say that. The online version of the calculator is all done and ready . I'm just waiting for the domain host to activate the free domain I applied for yesterday. I expect to have it up sometime tomorrow.

[CommandoRick]

Am i the only one who cant get this to work at all?
Ive updated to the latest flash, as well as shockwave and still nothing happens when i open it.

[BonzoLLM]

Originally Posted by CommandoRick

Am i the only one who cant get this to work at all?
Ive updated to the latest flash, as well as shockwave and still nothing happens when i open it.

Welcome to The Dugout.

Can't say I've had any messages about the calculator not working. Do videos on YouTube play ok on your computer? If so, this Flash-based calculator should work too.

Try the PDF version and the online version. If you still can't run it then, let me know and I'll send you the link for the spreadsheet version (which is nowhere near as user-friendly but does the job).

[gue_rakun]

This is amazing.. kudos to the maker..
What do u use? Flash SWF Editor? Just curious..

[CommandoRick]

Originally Posted by BonzoLLM

Welcome to The Dugout.

Can't say I've had any messages about the calculator not working. Do videos on YouTube play ok on your computer? If so, this Flash-based calculator should work too.

Try the PDF version and the online version. If you still can't run it then, let me know and I'll send you the link for the spreadsheet version (which is nowhere near as user-friendly but does the job).

thanks, the online version works perfectly, its just the downloadable one that doesnt. Great work by the way

[juhliowm]

Thx for this! I would like to know too what attributes make a good Assistant Coach.

[BonzoLLM]

Originally Posted by juhliowm

Thx for this! I would like to know too what attributes make a good Assistant Coach.

What makes a good Assistant Manager is a lot less clear cut. If you ask 100 people, you'll probably get 100 different opinions on the necessary key attributes for an assistant manager.

I personally still use this as a guide:


Assistant Managers

Unless you take on the task yourself, this fella is very important to any club. He is vital for the development of the club and staff.
Ideally your looking for a combination of coaching skills and managerial style that matches your own. A good eye for talent and potential also helps a major plus if you’re going to rely on his comments.
Make sure your reserves and under19s play the same formation as the 1st team to get them used to how you play.

Essential Skills

Coaching outfield players, judging player ability, man management, motivation and a similar style of play as your own.


Source: FM2007 hints and tips guide (by Marc Vaughan & Nick Habershon)

[r5gtt2k3]

Isn't working for me on windows 7 ultimate

[BonzoLLM]

Originally Posted by r5gtt2k3

Isn't working for me on windows 7 ultimate

Do the following:

- Update your Adobe Flash Player:
http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

- 'Run as administrator':
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...nistrator.html


If that doesn't do the trick, try the PDF version and the online version.

[adonis]

What a legend

[dehory]

Amazing. Thanks for your efforts!

[gekan]

Great tool! Thanks a lot mate.

Btw, it's working in Win 7 RC Ultimate. Adobe Flash Player was already updated. I don't have to run it like an admin, but maybe I login like one, I don't remember and I'm not home to check.

[BonzoLLM]

Originally Posted by gekan

Great tool! Thanks a lot mate.

Btw, it's working in Win 7 RC Ultimate. Adobe Flash Player was already updated. I don't have to run it like an admin, but maybe I login like one, I don't remember and I'm not home to check.

Glad you like it.

Yes, you shouldn't need to run the program as an admin. The 'Run as administrator' thing is just something that I think may help in the very unlikely event that someone (possibly logging in on Vista/Windows 7 under a non-administrator account) runs into problems. I've only had 2 people report problems running the calculator (out of now 6,000 downloads), so that piece of advice is based more on guesswork than anything else.

I think as long as your Adobe Flash Player is up-to-date (and your Windows is not corrupted ), the calculator will run just fine.

[choci]

Man you rock!its one of the most usefull tools i found here!Thanks a lot for your post and keep the good work!!

[dunn2k]

Hi all, iv been using this calculator to help me sort out my backroom staff, my coach's were all 2 stars as for some reason after countless years of playing the game i was unaware of how to judge coaches lol.

Anyway you will see from the pictures below that the coach calculator gives my coach a 4 star rating in defensive coaching but when they are in my team it only shows 2.5 stars. Please can someone explain this to me!!!

[IMG]http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=139639&id=560271576&saved#/photo.php?pid=3529139&id=560271576[IMG]

[IMG]http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=139639&id=560271576&saved#/photo.php?pid=3529140&id=560271576[IMG]

[IMG]http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=139639&id=560271576&saved#/photo.php?pid=3529141&id=560271576[IMG]

thanks all

[gekan]

Originally Posted by dunn2k

Hi all, iv been using this calculator to help me sort out my backroom staff, my coach's were all 2 stars as for some reason after countless years of playing the game i was unaware of how to judge coaches lol.

Anyway you will see from the pictures below that the coach calculator gives my coach a 4 star rating in defensive coaching but when they are in my team it only shows 2.5 stars. Please can someone explain this to me!!!

[IMG]http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=139639&id=560271576&saved#/photo.php?pid=3529139&id=560271576[IMG]

[IMG]http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=139639&id=560271576&saved#/photo.php?pid=3529140&id=560271576[IMG]

[IMG]http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=139639&id=560271576&saved#/photo.php?pid=3529141&id=560271576[IMG]

thanks all

I can't login to facebook right now (I'm at work) but check if you have all types of training checkboxes ticked for that couch. If so, untick them all and just tick defense.

[dunn2k]

[I can't login to facebook right now (I'm at work) but check if you have all types of training checkboxes ticked for that couch. If so, untick them all and just tick defense.]

your a legend mate, thanks :-) didnt realise i had to do that :-)

[adamski152]

Could someone explain coaching stars to me?

Where do you see them in game?

[DirtyACE]

I can't seem to get this to work. I downloaded the calculator, updated my flash player, but nothing happens. I click on the program but it just doesn't open. I'm running Windows 7 Professional btw.

Any help?

[dunn2k]

i had the same problem mate, look for the link to the online version of the calculator, works fine

[Lesterkie]

great stuff, thank you.
using the pdf as i am using a mac.....

[Nick]

Top work, Bonzo. I've just started using this and it's saving me a lot of headaches.

Pos repped.

[Arthritic_Gadgie]

Looks good to me, nice one.

[Yevrah]

Fantastic stuff.

[chusoxx]

Im gonna get home and use the online version, i hope this works for me!

[davidaclifford03fm]

This is a great tool. Is there any way of working out how they might perform if they're working on two or more skills? Does it just halve their performance?

[Hulls Tiger]

This is excellent, saves pissing about guessing or trying to work ot out. Great bit of software.

[Raoul Duke]

Bumped to save me having to keep looking for it

[Shrewnaldo]

Raoul - you know you can subscribe to threads right?

[Tzipraios]

amazing and really helpfull

[hippoc07]

I think you are officially my hero!

Thank you kindly for putting this up, I could not hit my five stars before

[asbo007]

This is class. Great effort.

[Jessi]

hey how to editing other languages thx ..

[Rai]

Hi

Thanks for your good effort made and carry on the good work. Can you please post the minimum requirement for a 5star coach in each category or how it is calculated without the tool?

E.g => 15+ Attack, 15+ Tactical, etc = 5star Attacking(posted above)

As otherwise i am very sorry but i don't really see the need to use your tool since with genie scout you can get the same info with the advantage of not requiring to put each figure individually(Saves a lot of time).

Thanks.

[Simmons]

Thanks for sharing this Bonzo, it is excellent.

[promacuser]

For what it's worth at this point, I've used Bonzo's flash application as a template for a native Cocoa application for the Mac OS. If anyone is interested, please send me a PM...