[GUIDE] So you want to be a Journeyman?

**Forza Hellas** · 02-03-2009, 04:19 PM

After a brief discussion with Mark it was decided that I would post this guide here and it could be moved later if need be.

The journeyman thread has become one of the most popular on the board and with good reason. Once you play the game starting at the very bottom and struggling to build a reputation as a manager it is very hard to go back to an ‘ordinary’ save. There have been at least one or two members a week coming into the thread and asking how they should go about setting up their very own journeyman save. As a result I thought this short guide may prove useful.

Setting up your game

This is in my opinion one of the most important aspects of having a successful journeyman save.

The first thing that you should do is think about why you want to play as a journeyman and what you hope to achieve over the course of your career.
If for example you want to manage on every continent then it is important you give yourself a wide selection of leagues from around the globe. If on the other hand you are only interested in playing within Europe then you can leave the rest of the world alone.

You need to be aware of how many leagues your desktop or laptop can handle. There are two ways to go about this. Either make use of the technical gurus on this forum and post your specs in this thread. http://www.thedugout.tv/community/sh...t=50558&page=3

Or alternatively you can use plain old trial and error. Load up a game and see how it runs for you before restarting with a few less leagues loaded if you think it is progressing too slowly.

You have to keep in mind that as your career progresses and the size of the save increases it will start to run more slowly and its generally accepted that this is the price you pay for playing the game in this form. The ability to compress saves via the preferences menu ingame can at least allow you to reduce the size of the file and speed up the games processing time, this does not however mean you should go load all leagues avaliable in the hope it will all run quickly.

It is also worth noting that playing with a large database as opposed to a huge one will be beneficial in terms of game speed as well as meaning your game is not flooded with other out of work managers applying for the same jobs you are.

Once you have settled on an amount of leagues and your career goals then it is time to select the leagues that you are going to load. It is important that you give yourself a varied enough selection that you will be able to move from one to the other gradually working your way to the top.

The way that I always see it is that there are three levels of nations. At the top level you have the likes of Spain, Italy, England and perhaps one or two more. The middle tier contains nations like Belgium, Holland and Portugal whilst the bottom tier has nations like Bulgaria, Romania and Poland (note: these are only a selection of the leagues and I have used Europe alone as an example.)

Being Unique went to the trouble of ranking the nations within the game by the reputation of the top league in that nation.

Spoiler:

Using that guide you should be able to build a good selection of leagues to allow you to have a great journeyman save.

One of the most frequently asked questions posed by those wishing to play as journeymen is what reputation they should give themselves to start with. The widely held view is that starting at the bottom and working your way up is the most satisfying way to play the game. As such if you want to be a true journeyman then start with Automatic reputation. This will set your reputation equal to that of the lowest rep league you have loaded and ensure you will be able to get a job.

Your first job

So you have setup your save and you are happy with the leagues you have selected. Now it is time to start applying for jobs.

In all honesty you cannot really afford to be overly picky when it comes to finding employment…remember you are starting as an unknown manager so you are effectively waiting for some kind hearted chairman to take pity on you. But at the same time there are a few tips that may help you choose the best club for your career.

I am aware that the vast majority of members on this forum are British and as such it is tempting to start in the blue square North or South in a country that you are comfortable in but stop and think for a second…even if you do well and achieve one or two promotions then you are still only in the fourth tier of the English league. Do you think that has done much to improve your reputation as a manager? Think about the exposure that the lower leagues of England have in the rest of Europe, do you think that chairmen around the continent have noticed your success?

Now consider if you start in the likes of Bulgaria, Poland or Romania. Fair enough it may be more difficult for you to adapt to an unfamiliar league but consider the potential rewards. If you achieve the same success that you may have in England and get promoted then you are now in the top league of that country. Now you have a chance to prove yourself and perhaps sneak a European spot….do not underestimate the reputation boost that you will receive as a manager guiding your team into Europe.

The big leap

So you have done well in your first job and you think its time you moved on to bigger and better things. Will Manchester United will offer you the chance to continue their legacy. Probably not.

The biggest thing to remember is that you may have to be patient in waiting for the right job to come along. It is simply not realistic to expect to leave the depths of Eastern Europe or Scandinavia and walk into a job in one of the biggest leagues. I really cannot stress enough the importance of choosing the club that is right for you. Many a journeyman save has been abandoned in frustration after the wrong choice was made and a career stagnated.

It is at this point that you should be looking for the club that has the infrastructure to allow you to build and be successful. Consider the stadium size and finances of any job you do get offered and only accept of it feels right, think about the league that you will be playing in, are there any player restrictions? Does the league have promotion rules that give you a good chance of taking your prospective new side up?

All of these points should have an impact on your job choice. I really can’t stress enough that you may have to be incredibly patient in waiting for the right job offer. In my own journeyman game I sat unemployed for 6 months after leaving Volov in Bulgaria before the right job came along. Your patience will be rewarded.

Manager Reputation

At the start of the game assuming you are a true journeyman you will selected automatic reputation. This means that your reputation will be set as equal to that of the lowest rep league you have selected, As such you are all but guaranteed to get a job somewhere.

The question is how can you increase your reputation as a manager. The quickest way is obvious, win matches and trophies for your club. This will always hold true and is the only 100% sure fire way to raise your manager reputation and allow you to move on to a new job.

In an ideal world you would recieve a larger boost to your reputation if you were successful with a smaller club and exceeded the expectations set at the start of the season, In reality though the reputation mechanics within the game arent advanced enough to see the difference. You have to remember that manager reputation probably never mattered to you before you decided to start a Journeyman game and it is still relatively unimportant to the games developers. We can hope that in future versions of the game SI will take note of how popular Journeymen games have become and will try to accomadate us.

League reputation by Nick

During a brief conversation with Shrewnaldo in the Journeyman Thread earlier about which league had a higher reputation, the second tier in Belarus or the second tier in Switzerland, it got me thinking about all the different reputations of the leagues in the game.

Here's a list of every nation and every league with the leagues reputation mark (out of 20):

Spoiler:

Ok. So why do you care? Well, most of you probably won't. Some of you, (the players who move from club to club, league to league) the Journeymen will probably find this quite interesting.

Now, we all know if you set your reputation at "automatic", the game sets it at the lowest repped league you have playable in your game.

So if you just have all the English leagues loaded your reputation will be set up as such, that you can only get a job in the Blue Square North/South. Which has a reputation score of 3. (Suprisingly, not the lowest in the game)

If you were to win the Blue Square South you would have won a league which has a score of 3. That's good. But it's not going to get you a job in La Liga which has a reputation of 18.

It will however mean that you will be seriously considered for a job in a league which has a reputation of around 3 or less. (Scottish 3rd Division, Northern Irish Second Division)

As a journeyman you can use the "points system" to work out what sort of job your likely to get if you've won or managed in a league with a low reputation.

It's fairly safe to say that if you win the Premiership, you are pretty much considered for any job in the world as The Premiership has the highest reputation score of 19. Other things such as nationality are obviously considered though.

Hopefully people will find this as useful as I have.

Summary

If you have followed some of the advice and points in this guide and you are still enjoying life as a journeyman then congratulations….you are a true journeyman and you really don’t need any more advice or help.

I wrote this guide as a means to help those newer members that wish to play the game in this way. There is purposefully no tactical advice or advice on good young players to sign in countries around the globe…you can find all of that elsewhere on the forum.

Lastly don’t forget to stop by the journeyman thread and introduce yourself. There is an infinite amount of advice available there to new players. All you have to do is ask.

Edit Forgot to say thanks to Nick and Shrewnaldo for looking over this before it was posted.

Providence · 02-03-2009, 04:50 PM

Nice guide, Hellas. I know personally I have made some of the mistakes that you mentioned

Rishy · 02-03-2009, 05:14 PM

Great guide. I'll keep updating in the journeyman thread once I eventually get this going.

**Tudor** · 02-03-2009, 05:28 PM

Wonderful guide, Forza, this tempts me even more to start a journeyman game, but my PC probaly can't handle more than a few leagues

**Forza Hellas** · 02-03-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tudor

Wonderful guide, Forza, this tempts me even more to start a journeyman game, but my PC probaly can't handle more than a few leagues

Ive told you before....Its time for you to invest in a new pc

Being Unique · 02-03-2009, 05:45 PM

Journey Men games are the way to go. Good guide Forza.

Dantastic · 02-03-2009, 05:54 PM

Nice guide Forza. I suppose I should pos rep you for it...

I'll also pos rep BU for his contribution when I find the post again

Spoiler:

Reiver · 02-03-2009, 05:56 PM

Very well done!

**Shrewnaldo** · 02-03-2009, 06:24 PM

Great guide Forza, tried to pos rep you but its not been long enough since I did it last time

I'd like to re-iterate that patience is absolutely key in Journeyman games.

Patience for success, you may have to graft for several seasons at your first club before you achieve any success or recognition from bigger clubs.

Patience in obtaining your second job. This is probably the most important managerial step and, as Forza said, you're not going to jump straight into the Barca job from managing Montrose or Dinamo Random.

And patience with the processing. Due to the large number of leagues you'll no doubt be running the game will take considerably longer to run (depending on your unit).

But be patient, because its worth it and a great deal more satisfying than taking over at Old Trafford and winning a couple of League Cups

Sorry if I stepped on your toes there Forza, just thought I'd throw in my tuppence

Reiver · 02-03-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrewnaldo

Great guide Forza, tried to pos rep you but its not been long enough since I did it last time

I'd like to re-iterate that patience is absolutely key in Journeyman games.

Patience for success, you may have to graft for several seasons at your first club before you achieve any success or recognition from bigger clubs.

Patience in obtaining your second job. This is probably the most important managerial step and, as Forza said, you're not going to jump straight into the Barca job from managing Montrose or Dinamo Random.

And patience with the processing. Due to the large number of leagues you'll no doubt be running the game will take considerably longer to run (depending on your unit).

But be patient, because its worth it and a great deal more satisfying than taking over at Old Trafford and winning a couple of League Cups

Sorry if I stepped on your toes there Forza, just thought I'd throw in my tuppence

What country are Dinamo Random from?

**Nick** · 02-03-2009, 07:07 PM

Good stuff Forza. Even though i've read it before, I read it again.

Iker · 02-03-2009, 07:42 PM

Great guide here Forza

I really shouldn't have read this, combined with the 'how many leagues' thread as I now want to start another journeyman game again

**Mark** · 02-03-2009, 07:43 PM

Great read Forza.. Let me sticky and Advertise this

Ims1980 · 02-03-2009, 09:32 PM

well done Forza, great piece of work there,

Numb287 · 03-03-2009, 11:32 PM

this seemed fun i loaded up 10 playable countrys making it close to 30 leagues, am currently wielsbeke in the belgium third division A, am hovering around 5th having to hand out amateur contracts..lol.

My love in football manager isen't being man u and buyin messi and fabregas but being smaller teams and trying to get them to do well!

My friend has decided to join me to( playing with me on my save ) but he cant seem to get a job anywhere after the season started.

villa4eva · 06-03-2009, 12:47 AM

i will do a journeyman when i can get into the game properly

**Tokey** · 06-03-2009, 09:41 AM

Excellent work here Forza, id been messing around trying to write something like this for ages and never got it going.

Well done mate

**Nick** · 06-03-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by villa4eva

i will do a journeyman when i can get into the game properly

Mate, use it a way to get into the game.

Magpie · 06-03-2009, 10:46 AM

Just have to echo the thoughts of the other members, great guides, I must kick one of these games up soon. A quick question though, do you stay at the club until a new club comes in for you?

**Forza Hellas** · 06-03-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tokey

Excellent work here Forza, id been messing around trying to write something like this for ages and never got it going.

Well done mate

Cheers Tokey, it was your save last year that inspired me to start playing this way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magpie

Just have to echo the thoughts of the other members, great guides, I must kick one of these games up soon. A quick question though, do you stay at the club until a new club comes in for you?

It depends mate. You might choose to play that way or you might just leave a club when you feel the time is right and you want to look for a new challenge.

The choice is yours. Thats part of the beauty of this type of game.

Adamboi123 · 08-03-2009, 08:11 PM

My dad has just got me a new videocard and such other items for my computer (he's a bit of a computer wizard

)

I'm going for a journeyman with my beloved Baltika who I guided to Euro Cup success and 100% league record

Never had a better game love journeyman (

) and this is a fabulous guide on the matter, particulary the part about the big leap, learnt a few things of that

KUTGW Forza

1a1n · 08-03-2009, 10:34 PM

ok quick question looking for uber fast reply, is it right or wrong to take a international job as your first? ive applied and been asked to take on samoa and saudi arabi?

Thanks in advance

Casmido · 08-03-2009, 10:39 PM

There is no right or wrong way to start a Journeyman save. If you read the thread you'll see that a few people have taken a international job to begin with.

It may boost your rep quicker than a club job if you do well.

**Forza Hellas** · 09-03-2009, 10:25 AM

Steeler - This thread was created as a guide for people to setup their journeyman saves and give a little advice on how to progress within their games.

I left out any tactical or player advice on purpose because it has no place here.

Please do not use the thread to advertise and post links to the tactic you have created. Im sure you realise that every country that a journeyman can start in has different requirements tactically and I feel people should be allowed to discover those themselves.

Steeler · 09-03-2009, 10:38 AM

did you read the post at least?.. it has everything to do with it and i posted the link because the post was made in a particular tactical context.
i've deleted the post. sorry for nothing.

**Forza Hellas** · 09-03-2009, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steeler

did you read the post at least?.. it has everything to do with it and i posted the link because the post was made in a particular tactical context.
i've deleted the post. sorry for nothing.

I did read the post and the link that goes to the tactic you have created and made avaliable for download.

If people want to find a tactic instead of figuring things out for themselves then they can find what they are looking for themselves in the downloadable tactics section.

Steeler · 09-03-2009, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forza Hellas

I did read the post and the link that goes to the tactic you have created and made avaliable for download.

If people want to find a tactic instead of figuring things out for themselves then they can find what they are looking for themselves in the downloadable tactics section.

i didn't say anything about downloading the tactic.. i only posted some man-management options when changing clubs and wanting to play a certain tactic(any user-made tactic) although the players at the managers disposal are not ideal.

finkle · 12-03-2009, 11:44 PM

Does it matter what standard you give yourself at the beginning? e.g Professional player/ International/ Semi-pro? I'd of thought that the higher you give yourself the easier that first job is to get so does a proper journeyman game give themselves the lowest level?

**Forza Hellas** · 12-03-2009, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finkle

Does it matter what standard you give yourself at the beginning? e.g Professional player/ International/ Semi-pro? I'd of thought that the higher you give yourself the easier that first job is to get so does a proper journeyman game give themselves the lowest level?

In most peoples opinion for a real journeyman save you give yourself automatic reputation.

**Forza Hellas** · 13-03-2009, 12:18 AM

At the start of the game assuming you are a true journeyman you will selected automatic reputation. This means that your reputation will be set as equal to that of the lowest rep league you have selected, As such you are all but guaranteed to get a job somewhere.

The question is how can you increase your reputation as a manager. The quickest way is obvious, win matches and trophies for your club. This will always hold true and is the only 100% sure fire way to raise your manager reputation and allow you to move on to a new job.

In an ideal world you would recieve a larger boost to your reputation if you were successful with a smaller club and exceeded the expectations set at the start of the season, In reality though the reputation mechanics within the game arent advanced enough to see the difference. You have to remember that manager reputation probably never mattered to you before you decided to start a Journeyman game and it is still relatively unimportant to the games developers. We can hope that in future versions of the game SI will take note of how popular Journeymen games have become and will try to accomadate us.

**Prescott** · 13-03-2009, 12:28 AM

Nice addition, Forza.

Maybe you should edit it into the first post too?

**Forza Hellas** · 13-03-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Prescott

Nice addition, Forza.

Maybe you should edit it into the first post too?

Good idea

karan316 · 13-03-2009, 07:12 AM

Excellent thread Forza, only just got around to reading it. Good work

**Forza Hellas** · 25-03-2009, 10:51 AM

Guide has been updated with the new league reputations posted by Nick.

Tomw198 · 13-04-2009, 03:53 PM

I keep taking on teams with debt -.- I have a debt-magnet.

Im gonna stick through this game though. Im managing "African Warriors" In the South African first division.

Balance of -442k.. Wage budget of £252 a week, current wages £785, Transfer budget of a massive 0.

Any advice, not help, just some small hinters.

dwinno · 28-05-2009, 05:13 PM

i'll be honest here and confess that in 15 years of playin FM/CM i have not once started a journeyman game. that being said, after joining the dugout and reading everyones opinions it seems that people tend to become much more emotionally attached to this type of save. am definitely going to give this a go, even though- due to having ares file sharing- my laptop is aids infested and i wont be able to run stupid amounts of leagues. cheers lads

fmgamer · 27-06-2009, 09:59 AM

Im usually just switching between team in the league ive loaded up but after reading the guides and learning a thing or two along the away i think im going to give it a go.

Thanks.

**Tudor** · 27-06-2009, 11:15 AM

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The big leap

So you have done well in your first job and you think its time you moved on to bigger and better things. Will Manchester United will offer you the chance to continue their legacy. Probably not.

The biggest thing to remember is that you may have to be patient in waiting for the right job to come along. It is simply not realistic to expect to leave the depths of Eastern Europe or Scandinavia and walk into a job in one of the biggest leagues. I really cannot stress enough the importance of choosing the club that is right for you. Many a journeyman save has been abandoned in frustration after the wrong choice was made and a career stagnated.

It is at this point that you should be looking for the club that has the infrastructure to allow you to build and be successful. Consider the stadium size and finances of any job you do get offered and only accept of it feels right, think about the league that you will be playing in, are there any player restrictions? Does the league have promotion rules that give you a good chance of taking your prospective new side up?

All of these points should have an impact on your job choice. I really can’t stress enough that you may have to be incredibly patient in waiting for the right job offer. In my own journeyman game I sat unemployed for 6 months after leaving Volov in Bulgaria before the right job came along. Your patience will be rewarded.

If Forza allows, i would like to add my views on this bit which i consider extremely important and which may end a few journeyman careers if decisions are not well-thought. I don't really want to boast up here (i've done it countless times in countless other threads anyway

), but i had a highly successful journeyman career so far and that's because i've always been considerate with when and which jobs to apply for and take.

This will be for the ones who want to build their way up from the bottom to the top as fast as possible, which i think the vast majority of the journeymen want (including me). What i want to stress the most is that achieving promotion to the top league will do wonders for your reputation. As Forza underlined in his guide, taking the team that is expected to finish bottom to a mid-table position isn't going to mean too much, even though you were definitely overachieving and proving that you're a decent manager. Resigning now will just mean that you'll most likely get a job at a club which is around the same level as yours and you definitely won't like to start things from scratch again. So, if you're ever in this situation, my advice will be to stay and continue what you've started.

So if you think that exceeding the expectations will land you a much better job then i'm sorry to inform you that you're blatantly wrong. Unfortunately this is because the mechanics of manager reputation in FM aren't yet best configured (at least that's what i think). Anyway, i'm pretty sure that everyone experienced promotions in their FM careers and know that making the step up is quite difficult. Obviously with the same players it's going to be even more difficult. Forget about the teams you used to beat with ease, now you'll face teams that play in Europe at the highest level. You need to strengthen the team, but not in many cases you can do it as you wished, due to various reasons, the most important of them being, you guessed it, money. So what are you going to do now?

In my opinion, sticking with a team that you don't feel confident in and just praying that things go well isn't the best idea. You risk getting the team relegated, which surely won't do good for your reputation, even though you were expected to go down by the media. What i feel is the best way to go is moving around from a 2nd division to another 2nd division in countries better and better (in terms of reputation, of course) until you find a club that you're confident you can keep up after getting promoted.

Now some of you, the ones that have more powerful computers, might try and move from a reputable second division (let's say Serie B or Championship) to a top league in a smaller nation (Finland, Sweden, Slovakia, Serbia etc) and attempt to build a reputation there, which might just be the better idea in this case. But if you haven't selected a variety of leagues, you're pretty much consigned to force your way up with less alternatives.

The best example that i can give to support these ideas is from my own journeyman career. I managed Helmond Sport in the Dutch 2nd division for two years. I was always overachieving, but in the first season i finished 2nd and narrowly missed promotion in the playoffs. Trying to get a better job proved to be a massive fail as nobody wanted me. Using the old trial and error method i reloaded the game, stayed for one more season, achieved promotion this time and i turned down the chance to manage in the top flight to take the job at Koln, who were just relegated from the German Bundesliga, but with a great team, enough money and therefore immense potential. In the end i stayed there for two years, in which i won the German Cup while being in the 2nd division and then finished 3rd in the following season in the Bundesliga.

As a conclusion, i'm encouraging the 2-3 year spells at one club instead of moving around once or twice each year, as it definitely gives you more stability and also the chances of achieving success are bigger.

**Nick** · 27-06-2009, 11:53 AM

Excellent stuff Tudor. I agree with all of that.

**Tudor** · 27-06-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick

Excellent stuff Tudor. I agree with all of that.

Thanks, Nick.

Another thing has crossed my mind about moving from one club to another, which is often not taken into account by people. This thing, which a lot of people deem as useless, plays a very important role in a journeyman career - the manager wage.

Now everyone probably knows that, while buying players can sometimes be complicated, signing staff is very straight-forward: you only need to pay a compensation to the club you're signing the staff member from, which is equal to the amount of wages the club had to pay him if he were to see his contract out. For example, if you're in the summer of 2009 and you want to sign a coach who's on 500k per year until the summer of 2011, you'll have to pay 1 million compensation to the other club.

Managers being staff members as well, it's obvious that this also applies to them (or us). So i think it's quite logical to say that you have a much better chance of getting a new job if you're unemployed or almost at the end of your contract than if you have 3 years remaining on your current contract. This is because nobody likes to spend unnecessary money and therefore clubs will prefer hiring an unemployed manager instead of one that they need to pay compensation for, if both of them are pretty much at the same level.

Negotiating a very low wage for yourself isn't the brightest idea every time, as the board will be more likely to sack you in this case, because the compensation law is the same. Boards have to pay what they would owe you for the rest of contract if they show you the door, which they don't like if the compensation is too big, therefore they will accept poorer performances and also won't take drastic measures if you ride your luck and apply for many other jobs.

While Manchester United will probably be willing to pay a few millions of compensation to hire you as a manager if you really were successful throughout your career, a smaller club won't take this risk, so as a conclusion you stand a much better chance of getting a new job if you resign and apply rather than just apply while being employed at a club. Of course it's risky, but risk is part of the game after all.

**Nick** · 27-06-2009, 02:44 PM

1-year contracts are the way forwards at smaller clubs when you are building your rep up.

You can get out easier and you cost less to approach.

Pabz · 27-06-2009, 04:53 PM

I did the one year route until i got into the Russian Premier with FC Moscow, where I took a two year contract. At Sevilla I signed a three year contract, but that was partially because I was so delighted with getting a big club in a top league!

Agree with all your points Tudor, in particular the time at a club bit. It is worth staying and building at the right club, but there has to be a balance against staying to build and staying because its the easy option. I believe that you should always be on the lookout for that next step up, because to not look is to not be a journeyman ;-). Even now when im sat at the top of the rankings with Sevilla, im still on the lookout for my next move!

Would be great if Tudors points could be incorporated into the guide somehow...

Winston · 08-07-2009, 03:56 PM

Fantastic! I wish I had read this before I started!!

sparks_marc · 27-07-2009, 10:53 AM

Based on these manager reputations, how could I check what level mine was at, on the number scale - would I have to use a realtime editor??

**Nick** · 22-08-2009, 08:20 PM

This is the guide, mate. The journeyman thread is slightly down the team/country discussion page.

Good work, though.

keeper#1 · 22-08-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick

This is the guide, mate. The journeyman thread is slightly down the team/country discussion page.

Good work, though.

I know. I messed up. Just moved it.

JoseFelipe · 04-12-2009, 07:42 AM

I plan to start start a Journeyman game soon, but Im very attached to my current Dortmund save.

Anyway, I wanted to know what happens when you are unemployed, do you just sit there watching the process bar move as you wait for an offer or vacancy? Do you even get news?

**Nick** · 05-12-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JoseFelipe

I plan to start start a Journeyman game soon, but Im very attached to my current Dortmund save.

Anyway, I wanted to know what happens when you are unemployed, do you just sit there watching the process bar move as you wait for an offer or vacancy? Do you even get news?

You have a couple of options. You can sit and press space bar to continue the game or you can go on holiday. When you 'holiday' you get several options. Initially, the ones you'll need are:

- You can choose which jobs to apply for. If you're starting at the bottom, choose 'any clubs'. Remember to tick the 'return from hliday when offered a job' box, though.

- Your return date. Do you want to holiday for a week? A month? Here, you can return after a set amount of days, a specific date or go on holiday indefinitely.

If you go on holiday indefinitely make sure you click the 'return from holiday when offered a job' box. Otherwise you'll holiday forever, mre or less!

Juve_Ole! · 28-04-2010, 05:05 AM

Hi all, I have a problem with my latest journeyman save.

Last night I started a new save with all European countries loaded, all leagues. This was my 2nd journeyman save. My first save was a smaller European game that had me start in the lowest divisions of Scandinavia after looking for work for about 6 months. This sounds about right.

Now with my latest save, I started unemployed with automatic rep and went on holiday. Within a week, the first job came up. This was odd as my past experience showed it took longer than a week. Stranger still that it was a team in the lowest division in Spain.

I found this odd because that leagues rep is 8 which is too high for me if i was on automatic rep with all european leagues loaded.

I retired that manager and created a new one, this time setting rep to sunday league. Again the Spanish team offered me the job within a week.

I double checked i had the lower leagues loaded, Scadinavia, Blue Square South / North. they were all loaded and yet this spanish team kept offering me a job.

Has anyone experienced this? Its weird that my first save worked as it should have but this latest one seems to have reputation messed up.

Thanks

**Shrewnaldo** · 28-04-2010, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Juve_Ole!

Hi all, I have a problem with my latest journeyman save.

Last night I started a new save with all European countries loaded, all leagues. This was my 2nd journeyman save. My first save was a smaller European game that had me start in the lowest divisions of Scandinavia after looking for work for about 6 months. This sounds about right.

Now with my latest save, I started unemployed with automatic rep and went on holiday. Within a week, the first job came up. This was odd as my past experience showed it took longer than a week. Stranger still that it was a team in the lowest division in Spain.

I found this odd because that leagues rep is 8 which is too high for me if i was on automatic rep with all european leagues loaded.

I retired that manager and created a new one, this time setting rep to sunday league. Again the Spanish team offered me the job within a week.

I double checked i had the lower leagues loaded, Scadinavia, Blue Square South / North. they were all loaded and yet this spanish team kept offering me a job.

Has anyone experienced this? Its weird that my first save worked as it should have but this latest one seems to have reputation messed up.

Thanks

By latest game I assume you mean FM10? If so you are in the wrong section as this is for 09.

Regardless, you are right, the reputation mechanics on FM10 have been ruined and starting with 'automatic' no longer sets your manager rep to an average of the lowest rep leagues. Large job offers will come too quickly now and the premise of a journeyman game is all but ruined unless you self-regulate the job progression.

02-03-2009, 05:14 PM	#3
Rishy Hot Prospect TD Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Country: Posts: 473	Great guide. I'll keep updating in the journeyman thread once I eventually get this going. __________________ Audere Est Facere - To dare is to do

02-03-2009, 05:28 PM	#4
Tudor The Real Romanian One Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bucharest Country: Posts: 9,904 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Wonderful guide, Forza, this tempts me even more to start a journeyman game, but my PC probaly can't handle more than a few leagues __________________ Becali, pleacă din Ghencea!!!

02-03-2009, 05:45 PM	#6
Being Unique Unique Regime TD Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Not Britain, England! Country: Posts: 3,400 Managing: Pro Belvedere Season: 2009/10 Division: Serie C2/A Position: ? Star Player: Andrea Citterio	Journey Men games are the way to go. Good guide Forza. __________________ In a Heartbeat, without a Heartbeat. My Best Fifa Goal Ever: http://www.easportsfootball.co.uk/me...video/13365704

02-03-2009, 05:54 PM	#7
Dantastic Key Player TD Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Portsmouth/Lavant Country: Posts: 8,434 Managing: Newcastle Season: 2011/12 Division: Premier League Star Player: Mouche/Smithies	Nice guide Forza. I suppose I should pos rep you for it... I'll also pos rep BU for his contribution when I find the post again Spoiler: Who had three thumbs I don't know, but they'd put 'em all up... __________________ "People who want happy endings have to write their own" - Paine, FF X-2 Currently playing: Newcastle (2011/12) *FM10 Trophies - 55*

02-03-2009, 05:56 PM	#8
Reiver Squad Rotation TD Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Country: Posts: 2,366 Managing: VfL Leverkusen Season: 2009/10 Division: Mittelrheinliga Position: - Star Player: -	Very well done! __________________ Undisclosed Facepack

02-03-2009, 04:19 PM	#1
Forza Hellas Chievo Vaffanculo! Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Aberdeen Country: Posts: 6,095 Managing: Dortmund Season: 2015/16 Division: Bundesliga Position: 1 Star Player: Arthur Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	[GUIDE] So you want to be a Journeyman? After a brief discussion with Mark it was decided that I would post this guide here and it could be moved later if need be. The journeyman thread has become one of the most popular on the board and with good reason. Once you play the game starting at the very bottom and struggling to build a reputation as a manager it is very hard to go back to an ‘ordinary’ save. There have been at least one or two members a week coming into the thread and asking how they should go about setting up their very own journeyman save. As a result I thought this short guide may prove useful. Setting up your game This is in my opinion one of the most important aspects of having a successful journeyman save. The first thing that you should do is think about why you want to play as a journeyman and what you hope to achieve over the course of your career. If for example you want to manage on every continent then it is important you give yourself a wide selection of leagues from around the globe. If on the other hand you are only interested in playing within Europe then you can leave the rest of the world alone. You need to be aware of how many leagues your desktop or laptop can handle. There are two ways to go about this. Either make use of the technical gurus on this forum and post your specs in this thread. http://www.thedugout.tv/community/sh...t=50558&page=3 Or alternatively you can use plain old trial and error. Load up a game and see how it runs for you before restarting with a few less leagues loaded if you think it is progressing too slowly. You have to keep in mind that as your career progresses and the size of the save increases it will start to run more slowly and its generally accepted that this is the price you pay for playing the game in this form. The ability to compress saves via the preferences menu ingame can at least allow you to reduce the size of the file and speed up the games processing time, this does not however mean you should go load all leagues avaliable in the hope it will all run quickly. It is also worth noting that playing with a large database as opposed to a huge one will be beneficial in terms of game speed as well as meaning your game is not flooded with other out of work managers applying for the same jobs you are. Once you have settled on an amount of leagues and your career goals then it is time to select the leagues that you are going to load. It is important that you give yourself a varied enough selection that you will be able to move from one to the other gradually working your way to the top. The way that I always see it is that there are three levels of nations. At the top level you have the likes of Spain, Italy, England and perhaps one or two more. The middle tier contains nations like Belgium, Holland and Portugal whilst the bottom tier has nations like Bulgaria, Romania and Poland (note: these are only a selection of the leagues and I have used Europe alone as an example.) Being Unique went to the trouble of ranking the nations within the game by the reputation of the top league in that nation. Spoiler: England 19 Italy 18 Spain 18 Germany 17 France 16 Brazil 15 Portugal 15 Argentina top league 15 Greece 14 Holland 14 Mexico 14 Russia 14 Ukraine 14 Turkey 14 Scotland 13 Belgium 13 Austria 12 Israel 12 Denmark 12 Romania 12 Colombia 12 Switzerland 12 USA 12 Uruguay 12 Croatia 11 Czech 11 Bulgaria 11 Norway 11 Chile 11 South Korea 11 Poland 11 Serbia 11 Slovenia 10 Slovakia 10 South Africa 10 Australia 10 Sweden 10 Finland 10 Hungary 10 Iceland 9 Belarus 9 China 9 Ireland 9 Indonesia 6 Wales 6 Northern Ireland 6 Singapore 5 Hong Kong 4 India 4 Malaysia 4 Using that guide you should be able to build a good selection of leagues to allow you to have a great journeyman save. One of the most frequently asked questions posed by those wishing to play as journeymen is what reputation they should give themselves to start with. The widely held view is that starting at the bottom and working your way up is the most satisfying way to play the game. As such if you want to be a true journeyman then start with Automatic reputation. This will set your reputation equal to that of the lowest rep league you have loaded and ensure you will be able to get a job. Your first job So you have setup your save and you are happy with the leagues you have selected. Now it is time to start applying for jobs. In all honesty you cannot really afford to be overly picky when it comes to finding employment…remember you are starting as an unknown manager so you are effectively waiting for some kind hearted chairman to take pity on you. But at the same time there are a few tips that may help you choose the best club for your career. I am aware that the vast majority of members on this forum are British and as such it is tempting to start in the blue square North or South in a country that you are comfortable in but stop and think for a second…even if you do well and achieve one or two promotions then you are still only in the fourth tier of the English league. Do you think that has done much to improve your reputation as a manager? Think about the exposure that the lower leagues of England have in the rest of Europe, do you think that chairmen around the continent have noticed your success? Now consider if you start in the likes of Bulgaria, Poland or Romania. Fair enough it may be more difficult for you to adapt to an unfamiliar league but consider the potential rewards. If you achieve the same success that you may have in England and get promoted then you are now in the top league of that country. Now you have a chance to prove yourself and perhaps sneak a European spot….do not underestimate the reputation boost that you will receive as a manager guiding your team into Europe. The big leap So you have done well in your first job and you think its time you moved on to bigger and better things. Will Manchester United will offer you the chance to continue their legacy. Probably not. The biggest thing to remember is that you may have to be patient in waiting for the right job to come along. It is simply not realistic to expect to leave the depths of Eastern Europe or Scandinavia and walk into a job in one of the biggest leagues. I really cannot stress enough the importance of choosing the club that is right for you. Many a journeyman save has been abandoned in frustration after the wrong choice was made and a career stagnated. It is at this point that you should be looking for the club that has the infrastructure to allow you to build and be successful. Consider the stadium size and finances of any job you do get offered and only accept of it feels right, think about the league that you will be playing in, are there any player restrictions? Does the league have promotion rules that give you a good chance of taking your prospective new side up? All of these points should have an impact on your job choice. I really can’t stress enough that you may have to be incredibly patient in waiting for the right job offer. In my own journeyman game I sat unemployed for 6 months after leaving Volov in Bulgaria before the right job came along. Your patience will be rewarded. Manager Reputation At the start of the game assuming you are a true journeyman you will selected automatic reputation. This means that your reputation will be set as equal to that of the lowest rep league you have selected, As such you are all but guaranteed to get a job somewhere. The question is how can you increase your reputation as a manager. The quickest way is obvious, win matches and trophies for your club. This will always hold true and is the only 100% sure fire way to raise your manager reputation and allow you to move on to a new job. In an ideal world you would recieve a larger boost to your reputation if you were successful with a smaller club and exceeded the expectations set at the start of the season, In reality though the reputation mechanics within the game arent advanced enough to see the difference. You have to remember that manager reputation probably never mattered to you before you decided to start a Journeyman game and it is still relatively unimportant to the games developers. We can hope that in future versions of the game SI will take note of how popular Journeymen games have become and will try to accomadate us. League reputation by Nick During a brief conversation with Shrewnaldo in the Journeyman Thread earlier about which league had a higher reputation, the second tier in Belarus or the second tier in Switzerland, it got me thinking about all the different reputations of the leagues in the game. Here's a list of every nation and every league with the leagues reputation mark (out of 20): Spoiler: Argentina Premier Division 15 Second Division 9 Australia A-League 10 Austria Premier Division 12 First Division 9 Belarus Highest League 9 First League 5 Belgium Pro League 13 Second League 8 Third Division 5 Brazil First Division 15 Second Division 12 Third Division 8 Bulgaria "A" Group 11 "B" Group 7 Chile First Division 11 First Division B 6 China Super League 9 First Division 6 Colombia First Division 12 Second Division 7 Croatia First Division 11 Second Division 9 Czech Rep First Division 11 Second Division 8 Denmark Premier Division 12 First Division 8 Second Division 6 England Premier Division 19 Championship 11 League 1 9 League 2 6 Blue Square Premier 4 Blue Square North/South 3 Finland Premier Division 10 First Division 7 France Ligue 1 16 Ligue 2 11 National 8 CFA 5 Germany First Division 17 Second Division 12 Third Division 9 Greece Super League 14 National B Division 9 Holland Eredivisie 14 Eerste Divisie 9 Hong Kong (China PR) First Division 4 Hungary Division I 10 Division II 8 Iceland Premier Division 9 First Division 7 India National Football League 4 Indonesia Super League 6 Premier Division 5 First Division 2 Ireland Premier Division 9 First Division 7 Israel Premier League 12 National League 9 Italy Serie A 18 Serie B 12 Serie C1 8 Serie C2 6 Malaysia Super League 4 Premier League 2 Mexico First Division 14 First Division A 10 Northern Ireland Premier Division 6 First Division 2 Second Division 1 Norway Premier Division 11 First Division 9 Second Division 7 Peru First Division 8 Poland Ekstraklasa 11 First Division 7 Portugal Liga Sagres 15 Liga Vitalis 7 Second Division 5 Romania First League 12 Second Division 7 Russia Premier Division 14 First Division 8 Scotland SPL 13 First Division 8 Second Division 4 Third Division 2 Serbia SuperLeague 11 FirstLeague 9 Singapore S-League 5 Slovakia First Division 10 Second Division 6 Slovenia First Division 10 Second Division 7 South Africa Premier League 10 First Division 4 South Korea K-League 11 N-League 6 Spain Liga BBVA 18 Liga Adelante 12 Second Division B 8 Sweden Premier Division 10 First Division Elite 6 First Division 4 Second Division 3 Switzerland Super League 12 Challenge League 10 Turkey Premier Division 14 First Division 9 Second Division 8 USA MLS 12 Ukraine Premier League 14 First League 8 Uruguay First Division 12 Second Division 6 Wales Premier League 5 Ok. So why do you care? Well, most of you probably won't. Some of you, (the players who move from club to club, league to league) the Journeymen will probably find this quite interesting. Now, we all know if you set your reputation at "automatic", the game sets it at the lowest repped league you have playable in your game. So if you just have all the English leagues loaded your reputation will be set up as such, that you can only get a job in the Blue Square North/South. Which has a reputation score of 3. (Suprisingly, not the lowest in the game) If you were to win the Blue Square South you would have won a league which has a score of 3. That's good. But it's not going to get you a job in La Liga which has a reputation of 18. It will however mean that you will be seriously considered for a job in a league which has a reputation of around 3 or less. (Scottish 3rd Division, Northern Irish Second Division) As a journeyman you can use the "points system" to work out what sort of job your likely to get if you've won or managed in a league with a low reputation. It's fairly safe to say that if you win the Premiership, you are pretty much considered for any job in the world as The Premiership has the highest reputation score of 19. Other things such as nationality are obviously considered though. Hopefully people will find this as useful as I have. Summary If you have followed some of the advice and points in this guide and you are still enjoying life as a journeyman then congratulations….you are a true journeyman and you really don’t need any more advice or help. I wrote this guide as a means to help those newer members that wish to play the game in this way. There is purposefully no tactical advice or advice on good young players to sign in countries around the globe…you can find all of that elsewhere on the forum. Lastly don’t forget to stop by the journeyman thread and introduce yourself. There is an infinite amount of advice available there to new players. All you have to do is ask. Edit Forgot to say thanks to Nick and Shrewnaldo for looking over this before it was posted. Last edited by Forza Hellas; 25-03-2009 at 10:50 AM. Reason: Small edit

02-03-2009, 04:50 PM	#2
Providence Promising Youngster TD Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Country: Posts: 161	Nice guide, Hellas. I know personally I have made some of the mistakes that you mentioned

02-03-2009, 06:24 PM	#9
Shrewnaldo Shrewbacca? Moderator Join Date: Nov 2008 Country: Posts: 7,258 Managing: FSV Frankfurt	Great guide Forza, tried to pos rep you but its not been long enough since I did it last time I'd like to re-iterate that patience is absolutely key in Journeyman games. Patience for success, you may have to graft for several seasons at your first club before you achieve any success or recognition from bigger clubs. Patience in obtaining your second job. This is probably the most important managerial step and, as Forza said, you're not going to jump straight into the Barca job from managing Montrose or Dinamo Random. And patience with the processing. Due to the large number of leagues you'll no doubt be running the game will take considerably longer to run (depending on your unit). But be patient, because its worth it and a great deal more satisfying than taking over at Old Trafford and winning a couple of League Cups Sorry if I stepped on your toes there Forza, just thought I'd throw in my tuppence __________________ Guide: FM2010 Player Development & Tutoring Pink Panther in 4-3-3 (downloadable tactic) FM10 trophies: 29 Spoiler: 2009/10, 2010/1 Serie A - Napoli 2010, 2011 Supercoppa Italiano - Napoli 2009 Ykkonen - PK-35 2010 African Confederations Cup - Etoile du Sahel 2010-11 Championnat de la Ligue Professionnelle 1 de Tunisie - Etoile du Sahel 2011 African Super Cup - Etoile du Sahel 2011 Coupe de Tunisie - Etoile du Sahel 2010, 12 OFB Cup - Rapid Wien 2009/10 , 10/11, 11/12- Österreichische Fußball-Bundesliga - Rapid Wien 2011, 12 - Austrian Super Cup 2012, 17 DFB-Pokal - FSV Frankfurt 2012 Europa League - FSV Frankfurt 2015/6, 16/7, 17/8 1.Bundesliga - FSV Frankfurt 2018 UEFA Champions League - FSV Frankfurt 2018 European Super Cup - FSV Frankfurt 2018 World Club Championship - FSV Frankfurt 2009-10 English Premier League - The Dugout FC 2009 Superkubok Rossii - CSKA Moscow 2009 Kubok Rossii - CSKA Moscow 2009 RFPL Prem'er Liga - CSKA Moscow There's nothing common about sense, nor anything conventional about wisdom

02-03-2009, 07:07 PM	#11
Nick Back from the Abyss Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bishop's Stortford Country: Posts: 15,112 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Good stuff Forza. Even though i've read it before, I read it again. __________________ Spoiler: Venezuelan League Add-On - here Unearthing The Talent - Goalkeepers In Brazil Unearthing The Talent - Fullbacks/Wingbacks In Brazil Unearthing The Talent - Centrebacks In Brazil Unearthing The Talent - Defensive Midfielders In Brazil Unearthing The Talent - Attacking Midfielders In Brazil Unearthing The Talent - Strikers In Brazil World Super League Database - click here Want to try some new training schedules? Click here, if so.

02-03-2009, 07:42 PM	#12
Iker is terrible at FM TD Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Conon Bridge/Aberdeen Country: Posts: 1,585	Great guide here Forza I really shouldn't have read this, combined with the 'how many leagues' thread as I now want to start another journeyman game again __________________ Journeyman Career Spoiler: Airdrie United (May 2010 - Present) - Scottish 2nd Division Champions, Scottish 1st Division Champions

02-03-2009, 07:43 PM	#13
Mark Lord of the board Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Heerlen Country: Posts: 6,238 Managing: FSV Frankfurt Season: 2009-2010 Division: 2. Bundesliga Position: - Star Player: Vlad Munteanu	Great read Forza.. Let me sticky and Advertise this __________________ Mark Geneste S: http://www.thedugout.net F: http://www.thedugout.tv E: contact(at)thedugout.net Quote: The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.

02-03-2009, 09:32 PM	#14
Ims1980 Reserve Team Player TD Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Stafford Country: Posts: 544 Managing: Stafford Season: 2009/10 Division: Blue Square N Position: 9 Star Player: Sean Kerr	well done Forza, great piece of work there, __________________ Journeyman Carear Spoiler: SC Goldau Honours Spoiler: 3 Liga Gruppe 2 Winners - 2010 2 Liga Gruppe 2 Winners - 2011 Non League to Champions League Spoiler: Stafford Rangers 2009/2010 - 9th 2010/2011 - Blue Square North Winners

03-03-2009, 11:32 PM	#15
Numb287 Trialist TD Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Country: Posts: 10 Managing: Wielsbeke - JM Division: Third divisionA Position: 4 Star Player: Rosseel	this seemed fun i loaded up 10 playable countrys making it close to 30 leagues, am currently wielsbeke in the belgium third division A, am hovering around 5th having to hand out amateur contracts..lol. My love in football manager isen't being man u and buyin messi and fabregas but being smaller teams and trying to get them to do well! My friend has decided to join me to( playing with me on my save ) but he cant seem to get a job anywhere after the season started.

06-03-2009, 12:47 AM	#16
villa4eva Promising Youngster TD Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: birmingham Country: Posts: 198 Managing: villa Season: 09/10 Division: prem Star Player: a.young	i will do a journeyman when i can get into the game properly __________________ his bigger than me and you

06-03-2009, 09:41 AM	#17
Tokey How can I help you? Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Country: Posts: 4,962 Managing: Swansea Season: 13/14 Division: Eng Premiership Position: 9 Star Player: Paul Reed Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Excellent work here Forza, id been messing around trying to write something like this for ages and never got it going. Well done mate __________________ . TD's Authoritative Football Manager Guide - Why not get involved?

06-03-2009, 10:46 AM	#19
Magpie is pregnant TD Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London innit. Country: Posts: 5,088	Just have to echo the thoughts of the other members, great guides, I must kick one of these games up soon. A quick question though, do you stay at the club until a new club comes in for you? __________________ Joe Kinnear: Which one's Simon Bird? Simon Bird: Me. Joe Kinnear: You're a cunt.

08-03-2009, 10:34 PM	#22
1a1n Hot Prospect TD Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cardiff Country: Posts: 306 Managing: Mk Dons Season: 2009-2010 Division: League 1 Position: NA Star Player: Sburlea	ok quick question looking for uber fast reply, is it right or wrong to take a international job as your first? ive applied and been asked to take on samoa and saudi arabi? Thanks in advance __________________ Graphic Battles Won: 2

08-03-2009, 10:39 PM	#23
Casmido Promising Youngster TD Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Country: Posts: 158 Managing: Bohemians 1905 Season: 2013-14 Division: Druha Liga	There is no right or wrong way to start a Journeyman save. If you read the thread you'll see that a few people have taken a international job to begin with. It may boost your rep quicker than a club job if you do well.

09-03-2009, 10:25 AM	#24
Forza Hellas Chievo Vaffanculo! Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Aberdeen Country: Posts: 6,095 Managing: Dortmund Season: 2015/16 Division: Bundesliga Position: 1 Star Player: Arthur Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	Steeler - This thread was created as a guide for people to setup their journeyman saves and give a little advice on how to progress within their games. I left out any tactical or player advice on purpose because it has no place here. Please do not use the thread to advertise and post links to the tactic you have created. Im sure you realise that every country that a journeyman can start in has different requirements tactically and I feel people should be allowed to discover those themselves.

09-03-2009, 10:38 AM	#25
Steeler Married with Children TD Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Galaţi Country: Posts: 1,511 Managing: AC Milan Season: 2029/2030 Division: Serie A Position: 1 Star Player: Robson	did you read the post at least?.. it has everything to do with it and i posted the link because the post was made in a particular tactical context. i've deleted the post. sorry for nothing. __________________ The old Danube taught us...

12-03-2009, 11:44 PM	#28
finkle Reserve Team Player TD Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Country: Posts: 669	Does it matter what standard you give yourself at the beginning? e.g Professional player/ International/ Semi-pro? I'd of thought that the higher you give yourself the easier that first job is to get so does a proper journeyman game give themselves the lowest level?

13-03-2009, 12:18 AM	#30
Forza Hellas Chievo Vaffanculo! Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Aberdeen Country: Posts: 6,095 Managing: Dortmund Season: 2015/16 Division: Bundesliga Position: 1 Star Player: Arthur Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	Manager reputation At the start of the game assuming you are a true journeyman you will selected automatic reputation. This means that your reputation will be set as equal to that of the lowest rep league you have selected, As such you are all but guaranteed to get a job somewhere. The question is how can you increase your reputation as a manager. The quickest way is obvious, win matches and trophies for your club. This will always hold true and is the only 100% sure fire way to raise your manager reputation and allow you to move on to a new job. In an ideal world you would recieve a larger boost to your reputation if you were successful with a smaller club and exceeded the expectations set at the start of the season, In reality though the reputation mechanics within the game arent advanced enough to see the difference. You have to remember that manager reputation probably never mattered to you before you decided to start a Journeyman game and it is still relatively unimportant to the games developers. We can hope that in future versions of the game SI will take note of how popular Journeymen games have become and will try to accomadate us.

13-03-2009, 12:28 AM	#31
Prescott Wiganista Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wigan Posts: 5,023 Managing: Werder Bremen Season: 2011/2012 Star Player: Mesut Özil	Nice addition, Forza. Maybe you should edit it into the first post too? __________________ 'I am forever chained to a disused railway line in Wigan' - Morrissey.

13-03-2009, 07:12 AM	#33
karan316 First Team Player TD Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bombay Country: Posts: 5,677 Managing: Leeds United Season: Season 2 Division: Championship Star Player: J. Beckford	Excellent thread Forza, only just got around to reading it. Good work __________________ with a knick-knack paddy-whack, give the dog a bone

25-03-2009, 10:51 AM	#34
Forza Hellas Chievo Vaffanculo! Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Aberdeen Country: Posts: 6,095 Managing: Dortmund Season: 2015/16 Division: Bundesliga Position: 1 Star Player: Arthur Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	Guide has been updated with the new league reputations posted by Nick.

13-04-2009, 03:53 PM	#35
Tomw198 Trialist TD Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Country: Posts: 2 Managing: Mansfield! Season: 07/08 Division: League 2 Position: 13 Star Player: Boulding	I keep taking on teams with debt -.- I have a debt-magnet. Im gonna stick through this game though. Im managing "African Warriors" In the South African first division. Balance of -442k.. Wage budget of £252 a week, current wages £785, Transfer budget of a massive 0. Any advice, not help, just some small hinters.

28-05-2009, 05:13 PM	#36
dwinno Decent Youngster TD Member Join Date: May 2009 Country: Posts: 70	i'll be honest here and confess that in 15 years of playin FM/CM i have not once started a journeyman game. that being said, after joining the dugout and reading everyones opinions it seems that people tend to become much more emotionally attached to this type of save. am definitely going to give this a go, even though- due to having ares file sharing- my laptop is aids infested and i wont be able to run stupid amounts of leagues. cheers lads __________________ RIP Martin Laursen

27-06-2009, 09:59 AM	#37
fmgamer Decent Youngster TD Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Country: Posts: 51 Managing: Pompey Season: 2009/2010 Division: Prem Position: 6 Star Player: Nadir Belhadj	Im usually just switching between team in the league ive loaded up but after reading the guides and learning a thing or two along the away i think im going to give it a go. Thanks. __________________ CM Player from CM2 to CM4 & FM Player from 2005 - Present Day.

27-06-2009, 11:53 AM	#39
Nick Back from the Abyss Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bishop's Stortford Country: Posts: 15,112 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Excellent stuff Tudor. I agree with all of that.

27-06-2009, 02:44 PM	#41
Nick Back from the Abyss Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bishop's Stortford Country: Posts: 15,112 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	1-year contracts are the way forwards at smaller clubs when you are building your rep up. You can get out easier and you cost less to approach.

27-06-2009, 04:53 PM	#42
Pabz Promising Youngster TD Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Northampton England Country: Posts: 220 Managing: Inter Season: 2021/2022 Division: Serie A Position: 6	I did the one year route until i got into the Russian Premier with FC Moscow, where I took a two year contract. At Sevilla I signed a three year contract, but that was partially because I was so delighted with getting a big club in a top league! Agree with all your points Tudor, in particular the time at a club bit. It is worth staying and building at the right club, but there has to be a balance against staying to build and staying because its the easy option. I believe that you should always be on the lookout for that next step up, because to not look is to not be a journeyman ;-). Even now when im sat at the top of the rankings with Sevilla, im still on the lookout for my next move! Would be great if Tudors points could be incorporated into the guide somehow... __________________ Journeyman Career: Spoiler: Stiinta Bacau - 16/7/8 - 18/1/9 Notts Co - 2/3/9 - 1/6/11 (prom to L1 09/10) Def Y Justicia - 8/8/11 - 11/6/14 (prom to APD12/13) Cameroon - 16/2/14 - 8/2/16 (ACN Win 16) FC Moscow - 3/7/14 - 1/2/17 (RPL Champs15 & 16) Czech Rep - 3/7/16 - 22/3/17 Sevilla - 8/2/17 - 5/1/20 (Euro Cup Win 17 & 18, La Liga Champs 18 & 19, CL Champs 19) England - 22/7/18 - ? (euro champs 2020) Liverpool - 5/1/20 - 22/3/20

08-07-2009, 03:56 PM	#43
Winston A.k.a. mattydalton TD Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heppenheim, Deutschland Country: Posts: 3,484 Managing: Blacon Youth Season: 2014/2015 Division: BSN Position: 1 Star Player: Jay McEveley	Fantastic! I wish I had read this before I started!! __________________ *http://worldfootballcolumns.com*

27-07-2009, 10:53 AM	#44
sparks_marc Decent Youngster TD Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Country: Posts: 131 Managing: Noicattaro Season: 5 Division: Serie A Position: 20 Star Player: Yaya Sanogo	Based on these manager reputations, how could I check what level mine was at, on the number scale - would I have to use a realtime editor?? __________________ Hello.

22-08-2009, 08:20 PM	#45
Nick Back from the Abyss Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bishop's Stortford Country: Posts: 15,112 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	This is the guide, mate. The journeyman thread is slightly down the team/country discussion page. Good work, though.

04-12-2009, 07:42 AM	#47
JoseFelipe Squad Rotation TD Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: CPT Country: Posts: 2,561 Managing: Dortmund Season: 2012/2013 Division: 1. Bundesliga Position: 1 Star Player: Sebastian Kehl	I plan to start start a Journeyman game soon, but Im very attached to my current Dortmund save. Anyway, I wanted to know what happens when you are unemployed, do you just sit there watching the process bar move as you wait for an offer or vacancy? Do you even get news? __________________ Spoiler: Top Threads: The German Football Thread \| They have Football in Guatemala too! \| AS Saint Etienne - Succession Game