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Old 11-07-2011, 10:05 PM   #1
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The Dugout Premiership

Following the TD Championship, I promised that I was working on a new and potentially very exciting challenge. Well, here it is. So, what is it?

Essentially, I am looking for 20 volunteers to take part in a multi-player network Premier League. Don't worry, we're not looking to have all 20 people online at once as that would be completely unmanageable.

It will work like this:
  1. If you are interested, then indicate that you would like to join by posting in this thread
  2. When the 20 is available, I'll post the list of players in the order they signed up
  3. In the order I have posted, each player can choose any club in the world to manage except the list posted below
  4. When the teams have been decided, there will be a draft whereby each player can bring two new players to their chosen club. More on that later
  5. I will edit a database putting all of the teams and players chosen into one league and a save game available for download
  6. We are then good to go
  7. As and when you can, each player will play each other player twice - once home and once away
  8. This will be done on a one-to-one basis so that people can complete games when they wish and are available, subject to the "disciplinary rules" below
  9. Games will be played by the "home" player hosting the game, using the Hamachi Guide linked below the other player will connect to the game, add themselves as their chosen club manager and a friendly will be arranged between the two clubs
  10. Once the game is played, the home player will post a screenshot of the result showing scorers
  11. The away player will post verifying the result
  12. I will keep a table of all the results as well as a schedule of games yet to be played and a record of no-shows
  13. You'll have to start a new game for each friendly that you play
  14. Winner is the person with most points after 38 games

I'm sure there will be a few questions about the format, etc so the sign-up will not actually open until Wednesday 13th July at 5pm. This will allow everyone to be clear on what they are signing up for.

The Hamachi Guide. This is essential, all players must use Hamachi to connect to each other for the games.

Please be aware that the game is a little slower when you are connected over the network, so if you impatient then don't bother. It isn't too long and the games work well but something to consider.

Ok, so a few extra details:

Teams that you cannot choose

Basically, the top 10 richest clubs:

Barcelona
Real Madrid
Arsenal
Man City
Man Utd
Chelsea
Liverpool
Inter
Bayer
AC Milan

You can choose any other club in the world.

The Draft

Once the teams are decided, each player will be allowed to choose two players from the below list. This will be done in order of sign-up, one at a time. So, first sign up picks one players, second chooses their first player, etc until all 20 have chosen their first player. Then the first person to sign-up gets to choose their second player and we go through the cycle again.

The players are as below.

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  • Goalkeepers


Marcos (Palmeiras)
Sebastian Frey (Fiorentina)
Volkan Demirel (Fenerbache)
Christian Abbiati (Milan)
Marco Amelia (Genoa)
Morgan de Sanctis (Napoli)
Diego Alves (Almeria)
Carlos Kameni (Espanyol)
Timo Hildebrand (Sporting)
Paul Robinson (Blackburn)
Diego Cavalieri (Fluminese)
Jussi Jaaskelainen (Bolton)
Oswaldo Sanchez (Santos Laguna)
Andreas Isaksson (PSV)
Costel Pantilimon (Timisoara)
Michael Rensing (Koln)


  • Fullbacks


Diego Renan (Cruzeiro)
Pablo Zabaleta (Man City)
Vasilis Torosidis (Olympiakos)
Andoni Iraola (Bilbao)
Rod Fanni (Marseille)
Valon Behrami (Fiorentina)
Franck Beria (Lille)
Mauricio Isla (Udinese)
Christian Ansaldi (Rubin)
Maxi Pereira (Benfica)
Matthieu Debuchy (Rubin)
Andreas Hinkel (Celtic)
Angel (Villarreal)
Phil Neville (Everton)
Jonathan (Santos)
Antony Reveillere (Lyon)
Christian Chivu (Inter)
Gabriel Heinze (Marseille)
Mouhamadou Dabo (Sevilla)
Wayne Bridge (West Ham)
Fausto Pinto (Fulham)
Marco Motta (Juventus)
Luca Antonelli (Milan)
Jorge Fucile (Porto)


  • Centre halves


Toby Alderweireld (Ajax)
Douglas (Twente)
Sergey Ignashevich (CSKA)
Daniele Bonera (Milan)
Souleymane Diawara (Marseille)
Naldo (Werder)
Carlos Cuellar (Villa)
Andreas Granqvist (Gronigen)
Hector Moreno (AZ)
Michael Ciani (Bordeaux)
Maicon (Porto)
Alberto Lopo (Deportivo)
Ivan Cordoba (Inter)
Jonathan Woodgate (Spurs)
Matias Silvestre (Catania)
Dzmitry Verkhovtsov (Belarus)
Breno (Bayern)
Sideni (Benfica)
Jean-Alain Boumsong (Panathanikos)
Taras Mykhalyk (Dynamo Kiev)
Omer Toprak (Freiburg)
Martin Demichelis (Malaga)
Per Mertesacker (Werder Bremen)
Martin Demichelis (Malaga)
Christian Zapata (Udinese)

  • Defensive Midfielders


Rafa Marquez (NYRB)
Javad Nekounam (Sochaux)
Jean Makoun (Villa)
Wilson Palacios (Spurs)
Marco Biagnti (Catania)
Claudio Maldonado (Flamengo)
Michael Bradley (Gladbach)
Arouca (Santos)
Gelson Fernandes (Man City)
Aldo Duscher (Espanyol)
David Albeda (Valencia)
Diego Rivas (Sociedad)
Lars Bender (Leverkusen)
Blaise Matuidi (Saint Etienne)
Arturo Vidal (Leverkusen)
Ever Banega (Valencia)
Pierre (Palmeiras)
Sebastian Battaglia (Boca)

  • Wingers


Niko Kranjcar (Spurs)
Joe Cole (Liverpool)
Park Ji-Sung (Man Utd)
Simone Pepe (Juventus)
Marcell Jansen (Hamburg)
Stewart Downing (Villa)
Daniel Pranjic (Bayern)
Ryan Babbel (Hoffenheim)
Simon Vukcevic (Sporting)
Mario Gotze (Dortmund)
Albert Riera (Olmpiakos)
Rodrigo Taddei (Roma)
Piot Trochowski (Hamburg)
Elano (Santos)
Wendel (Bordeaux)
Barreto (Bari)
Neri Cardozo (Shaktar)
Dirk Kuyt (Liverpool)
Esteban Granero (Real Madrid)
Giuseppe Sculli (Lazio)
Juanfran (Athletico)
Matt Jarvis (Wolves)
El-Hadji Diouf (Rangers)
Jefferson Farfan (Schalke)


  • Attacking midfielders


Kevin Prince Boateng (Milan)
Nicolas Lodeiro (Ajax)
Clarence Seedorf (Milan)
Christian Eriksen (Ajax)
Alanzinho (Trabzonspor)
Thiago (Barcelona B)
Thomas Kahlenberg (Wolfsburg)
Juan Arango (Gladbach)
Alex (Fenerbache)
Dario Conca (Fluminese)
Dejan Petkovic (Qatar)
Fernando Belluschi (Porto)
Juan Roman Riquelme (Boca)

  • Strikers


Djibril Cisse (Panathanikos)
Mladen Petric(Hamburg)
Rodrigo Palacio (Genoa)
Ruud van Nistlerooy (Hamburg)
Darren Bent (Villa)
Abel Hernandez (Palermo)
Bogdan Stancu (Romania)
Alessandro Matri (Juventus)
Louis Saha (Everton)
Anthony Le Tallec (Auxerre)
Theo Gekas (Frankfurt)
Carlos Vela (Arsenal)
Tomasso Rocchi (Lazio)
Ricardo Oliveira (Al-Jazeera)
Daniel Sturridge (Chelsea)
Demba Ba (West Ham)
  • Targetmen

Asamoah Gyan (Sunderland)
Daniel Osvaldo (Espanyol)
Oscar Cardozo (Benfica)
Roberto Soldado (Valencia)
Artiz Arduriz (Valencia)
Claudio Pizarro (Werder)
Adriano (Roma)
Ola Toivonen (PSV)
Luca Toni (Juventus)
Kenwyne Jones (Sunderland)
Rolando Bianchi (Torino)
Andre Gignac (Marseille)
Kevin Davies (Bolton)
Martin Palermo (Boca)



I will then clone these players to their respective clubs and set up the league.

Disciplinary rules

So we might have an issue with dropouts, these will be controlled using the following measures.

1. I'll keep a reserves list of all the sign-ups who don't make it into the 20; in order of sign-up.

2. If a player doesn't play a match or post a reason for not being available in a seven-day-period, they will receive a "yellow card". Two yellow cards means that the player is expelled from the competition and a reserve takes his place.

3. If a player doesn't play a match or post a reason for not being available in a continuous 14 day period, they receive a "straight red card", meaning they are expelled from the competition and banned from future competitions. I'll also consider an infraction for being an arsehole.

4. The reserve who takes over will take over from where the dropout left off.

5. The managers at the end of this season will have first refusal for the following competition should this prove to be a success. That way there is an added incentive for reserves who may be required to take over towards the end of the competition.


Ok, so that should be all the information you require. Any questions? Fire away and I'll open the sign-up once everyone is satisfied that they know what's going on.

Remember, the sign-up won't actually open until Wednesday 13th July at 5pm.
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Old 11-07-2011, 10:17 PM   #2
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I won't be signing up but I'm intrigued to see how it unravels already. Nice idea, Shrew.
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Old 11-07-2011, 10:20 PM   #3
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Will players have to worry about wage budget, or can we choose just a team and then pick players regardless of their wages?
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No need to worry about wages or transfer budget.

I will also be making every player in the squad injury free, 100% condition and superb morale so that everyone is on an equal footing.
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Great. Just wondering, why have you made those ten teams unavailable?
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Sounds interesting. I'm about fairly often so I might well give this a go. I've already got my eye on a few players on that list, though it'd probably help if I thought about picking a team first

How did you go about selecting the draft players?

EDIT: You've got Marcos (Palmeiras GK) down twice.
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...time zone? I assumed BST but let's make this clear for everyone.
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One question, with the players in the draft. What happens if somebody wants to play as a team that will potentially lose players?
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They're going to be cloned, so there might end up being two of some players.
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Good luck with this Shrew, The Special One tried and spectacularly failed at this recently, it's going to be a lot of hard work.
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You also have Riquelme down twice Shrew. Although to be fair one of them is Juan Roman and one is Juan Ramon, so perhaps they're two players who both play for Boca.
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I'm interested but will need to look at hamachi on Mac, not sure if it's possible
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Sounds a good idea. Out of interest how long do you think this will run for? Trying to work out if I will be able to fit it in.
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Sounds interesting. I'm about fairly often so I might well give this a go. I've already got my eye on a few players on that list, though it'd probably help if I thought about picking a team first

How did you go about selecting the draft players?

EDIT: You've got Marcos (Palmeiras GK) down twice.
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One question, with the players in the draft. What happens if somebody wants to play as a team that will potentially lose players?
As Dan says, they are being cloned so there is the possibility that we could have two of the same player. Each player can only be chosen from the draft once though.

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Sounds a good idea. Out of interest how long do you think this will run for? Trying to work out if I will be able to fit it in.
I'm not going to set a hard deadline to start with as I want to see how people get on. I'd like to see each person play three games a week as a minimum. If you are unavailable for a week or two then just post and let us know. At this time of year, we know holidays will limit some people's availability. It's just when people disappear without saying anything that it gets irritating.
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Read the post again, Jack!! Sign up doesn't open until Wednesday at 5pm BST.
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Whatever happened to your Goal of the Month videos, Jack? That seemed to die a death.
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I hope you keep saying cloned because that's what it's called in FMRTE. what I mean by that is the "duplicate player" option in the official editor doesn't work.
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It worked when I was using it for newgen experiments earlier in the year. It didn't work on FM10 but has worked for me on FM11. Either that or I'll just use FMRTE or create the players from scratch.
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Looks great, SHrew. Hope it all works out perfectly
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This sounds familiar Shrew...

http://www.thedugout.net/community/s...ad.php?t=67646

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Thanks, kgok.

So no more questions? Everyone fairly clear on how this will work?
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Just one about the draft: are we conducting it in this topic? That could be quite time consuming.
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I had thought about that. I haven't decided whether to do it by public posts in order which could take quite a bit of time or have the 20 successful players send me a PM with their top 10 requests and then I can work out who gets who.
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You could set a draft date and time, then conduct it in real time through Manager Chat / IRC / some sort of IM, perhaps. Anyone who can't make it / doesn't turn up would have to sort through the leftovers.
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When would this start up Shrew? I'm not allowed Hamachi on my computer (my mum says so ) but I should me getting my own in August sometime.
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Am I to assume that Mac users are prevented from entering this competition. Or does Hamachi allow you to play Mac to PC?
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You could set a draft date and time, then conduct it in real time through Manager Chat / IRC / some sort of IM, perhaps. Anyone who can't make it / doesn't turn up would have to sort through the leftovers.
Not too keen on doing that as I don't want to exclude too many people. Also, it means that I have to be online for the duration of this online chat which, with a young baby, could be problematic. I think I'll stick to a top ten wishlist and I can work it out in my own time.

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When would this start up Shrew? I'm not allowed Hamachi on my computer (my mum says so ) but I should me getting my own in August sometime.
As soon as possible really. When is "sometime in August"? I think you'd be better signing up for the reserves list.

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I had no idea Hamachi didn't work on Macs. Can you test this Mac version and see if it works? Particularly when connecting to PC users?


Ok, so sign-up "opens" at 5pm. Please indicate your choice of team when posting. You cannot choose a team that someone above you has chosen. If you do, you will have to choose someone else at a later date. Reserves do not have to choose a team.

I'll be taking part but I'll choose my team after all of you have done so and go last in the draft.
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I may go in for this. How long are you expecting to give people to play their games?
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Around the 14th I reckon so I'll be too late.
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In with Porto, please. Sounds like this will be a lot of fun if it is successful, which it should be.
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Count me in, My team of choice would be Porto

Damn, just pipped to the post!!

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How excellent is that.
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Damn, Athletico has gone already.

I'll take Napoli.
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DAMN! Sevilla please
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I'll take Lille, if that's alright Shrew
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I'll sign up as a reserve then, does that mean I need to pick a team?
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Have the first 20 been picked? If not I'd like to sign up.
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If you are interested, then indicate that you would like to join by posting in this thread
When the 20 is available, I'll post the list of players in the order they signed up
In the order I have posted, each player can choose any club in the world to manage except the list posted below

Would be nice if the Opening Post didn't state otherwise.
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This looks interesting I have to say, I would sign up myself but I'm off to Spain next week for 10 days. I'll will keep a close look though, good luck to all
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Napoli would have been my choice but don't think I will be able to commit myself.
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